Tad Hargrave Interview – How Marketing Can Give, Not Just Take

I had the pleasure of speaking with marketing expert Tad Hargrave. In the book world, more authors are becoming marketers for their work. Inherently, this causes an identity shift, and a confrontation that they want to spread the word, but not bug people. Tad excels at this type of thing: focusing on how marketing can be a part of a process that supports an entire community, instead of focusing on just getting money from people. Some topics we cover:

  • How can marketing be inspiring and make the world a better place?
  • Where does marketing go wrong? (EG: Manufacturing insecurity in your customer to get them to “need” your product.)
  • How to consider the many income streams that support a business.
  • Why Tad uses a pay-what-you-can method of pricing his workshops and webinars
  • His experience as a street performer, and how he learned that marketing can be a positive thing, where people enjoy giving you money.
  • How honesty in marketing is refreshing, that one doesn’t need to mask that a transaction is going on.
  • The responsibility we have in marketing to ensure it supports the entire community in which you work.
  • How focusing on meeting JUST your needs can also deliver the worst aspects of modern culture – how our professional and personal communities are divided. But that focusing on how your needs can be met, AND others’ needs can be met helps everyone in bigger ways.
  • That, “when a lot of people think they want fame, they really want community; that when they think they want status, what they really want is stature – being held in high esteem by those you respect.”

You can watch our entire chat by clicking the play button below:

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Tad creates marketing workshops and offers consulting services for holistic & green businesses. You can find him in the following places:

Thank you so much to Tad for taking the time to chat!
-Dan

Susan Danziger Interview – The Challenges and Opportunities for Publishers

Susan Danziger Founder and CEO of DailyLit.com, and the organizer of The Publishing Point Meetups. We discuss topics including:

  • A behind the scenes look at both DailyLit and The Publishing Point.
  • Why she believes in the value of in-person meetups, and bringing together publishing outsides and insiders.
  • The feedback she received from publishers when DailyLit first launched – their apprehension and fear of “disruption.”
  • The challenge that large publishers face in supporting legacy systems, a large employee base and significant real estate holdings.
  • That publishers need to lead with technology, not follow.

You can watch the full interview by clicking the play button below:

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You can find Susan in the following places:

Thanks so much to Susan for taking the time to chat!
-Dan

Promote an IDEA, Not a Product

I often hear this advice given to those engaging in social media:

Talk 95% about others, 5% about yourself.

Today, I want to dig in to what that might look like for an individual or brand. When considering this, I think people often INTEND to talk about others, but two things get in their way:

  • Their runway is short. They have a new product launching soon, and they desperately want to begin promoting it now.
  • They are so excited about their own work, and they assume others will be too.

This is where people tend to ADVERTISE instead of ENGAGE in social media. So how can one do both? Talk about others, while also helping to establish their own brand? Let’s ask this question within a specific context:

Should Apple should spend 95% of their time talking about others, and 5% talking about themselves?

What would that look like? Maybe something like this:

  • How others create beautifully designed and functional objects. These could be case studies, videos, interviews, or merely reflections on other companies that do things well.
  • Stories of people’s creative process: how they whittle away the unnecessary to create their work. This could focus on people from history or current day artists or designers.
  • Creative uses of their products: how their customers use Apple products to create vibrant businesses and creative work.
  • The problems in the world that Apple sees, and a focus on those who are solving them. EG: The need for green design and smaller packaging in consumer products.
  • Their passion for design – where they see great design elsewhere in the world.
  • Those who have inspired the world (and Apple) along similar values.

Apple has done some of these things in specific places, but not the exact 95/5 ratio.

Think DifferentThere are in-between areas, where a company such as Apple talks about both others – and themselves – at the same time. So when you see those old “Think Different” ads, they featured others: Jim Henson and the like. So technically, Apple is talking about “others.” But really, they are trying to align themselves with an IDEA, then get you to buy into that idea, and by doing so, you are aligning yourself with Apple. It’s the whole:

If A = B and B = C, then A = C

…thing. So in the example above:

If the creative spirit = Jim Henson,
And Jim Henson is in an Apple ad,
Then Apple must = the creative spirit

When you promote ideas larger than yourself, you give people infinite ways to find a way in. It aligns to preconceived notions they may have had, or experiences that were meaningful to them in the past. That someone has a childhood of memories about how free and excited Sesame Street made them feel, and now as adults, those feelings are being tapped into to shape our viewpoint of Apple products. That, as someone building the image of your brand, you are somehow channeling an idea that is buried in their mind, surfacing it, and getting them to say: “YES!” to something that just happens to be two inches away from your brand.

There is a halo effect to that.

That if you believe what Jim Henson believed, then you and Apple are alike. They are friend, not foe. That, just maybe, we can trust Apple. You aren’t that tribe on the other side of the river: “other.” You are from the same place, going in the same direction.

There are also in-between areas such as a math tutor broadcasting the message: “I am so proud of my student who just got into Harvard. Nice to see our hard work together pay off.” So here, the teacher is talking about someone else, but also talking about the value of their own work, and aligning themselves with the reputation of Harvard.

The Apple ads above are quite old. Nowadays, Apple does this by showing off innovative apps for their iPad and iPhone devices. Sure, they are promoting others, but in doing so, promoting the capabilities of Apple’s own devices.

Another interesting example can be seen in 37 Signals. Their homepage does indeed talk 95% about THEMSELVES.

But… their wildly popular company blog does talk about others. It shares a range of things about their viewpoint as a company, who inspires them, about trends that they feel threaten the things they value. In fact, most of the posts are somehow related to themselves, but it’s not always directly promotional. They are taking a layer off, bringing you inside to connect with their ideas, their employees, and those in their community. And you know what: it works. It’s an incredible resource because of HOW they talk about things. They aren’t promotional, they are exploratory, they are creating a worldview.

In your own use of social media, it would involve ReTweeting others as much as sharing your own observations; It would mean including @names liberally; It would mean sharing the INSPIRATION for what you do, not just the sales pitch for what you do.

That, when you talk about ANYTHING, you are promoting an IDEA, not just a product.

I think this is why I (and many others) constantly use Apple as an example. Sure, they are always promoting a product for us to buy. But, they also try to show us what great design is, that it is more than a list of features, that what you remove is as important as what you add.

Steve Jobs talks about this in the 1990’s:

“The focus is about saying no. And the result of that focus will be some really great products, where the total is much greater than the sum of the parts.”

When engaging in social media, this is something to keep in mind. That what you share, that how you interact reflects on your brand and overall message in subtle ways. That when someone says: talk more about others than about yourself, they mean to support, help and give more than you ask or take. And that this will come back to you in thousands of small positive ways.

It is a long term strategy. In that same Steve Jobs video that I mentioned above, he talks about the investment Apple is making in the future. This was at a time when Apple stock shares were at a historical low: in the teens. He said: when the press have a shortsighted view of what Apple is building, and they undervalue the stock, go out and buy it. The stock is now in the high 300s, and the company is one of the greatest turnaround stories in the history of business.

If you want to build something of lasting value – the foundation of a legacy – talk more about ideas rather than making an overt sales pitch.

Thanks!
-Dan

Joe Pulizzi Interview – Why Marketers Are Now Publishers

I had a great chat with content marketing expert Joe Pulizzi, discussing how individuals and brands can engage their audiences and customers by creating engaging content. Joe is the Founder of Content Marketing Institute, the media company that covers the content marketing industry. Some of the topics we discuss:

  • Why marketers should now be publishers.
  • That it is HARD to create compelling content that engages people.
  • To engage people online, you can’t be all things to all people. You have to focus on the specific needs of a specific audience.
  • Why for an author, the book is just ONE way to reach their audience.
  • That you engage people when you focus on THEIR needs, not your product or sales needs.
  • How it takes TIME to build your credibility and engage an audience online.
  • Why email is critical to reaching your audience.

…and more! Click play below to watch the full interview.

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You can find Joe in the following places:

Thank you so much to Joe for taking the time to chat!
-Dan

Colleen Lindsay – “Every Author Has To Be An Entrepreneur”

Colleen Lindsay has been a literary agent, worked within large publishers, and at several bookstores. She is currently part of the business development team at Penguin Group and community manager for Book Country. We discuss a wide range of topics, including:

  • That, when an independent bookstore goes out of business, it is the result of bad business decisions, not market trends. “It Doesn’t Matter How Much You Love Books if You Don’t Know How to Run a Business.”
  • How thriving independent bookstores focus on customer service, community service, leveraging social media in a smart way, smart buying, and taking advantage of publisher & vendor specials.
  • Her experience and goals in helping to launch BookCountry.com – a free online genre fiction writers workshop.
  • How she and her colleagues approached the idea of building a new community for writers and readers online.
  • Where she is seeing opportunity for authors in the self-publishing ebook world.
  • Why all authors need to be entrepreneurs.
  • That the most important part of being a writer is to first get your craft right, then work on your platform.
  • The top things that writers often do wrong in the querying process.

Watch our full interview by clicking the play button below:

 

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You can find Colleen on Twitter at @ColleenLindsay, on BookCountry.com, and on her own site http://theswivet.blogspot.com.

Thanks to Colleen for taking the time to chat!
-Dan